done this already under entitlements. >> that is the big question. will president obama compromise? >> i'm not sure he is going to compromise on this debt ceiling fight. it is important to talk about the broader contours of this actual debate. a year and a half ago we had an increase of 1 $2.1 trillion. and we are through that. and now we are up to $17 trillion. so, in my view to be candid. there is only one party that is remotely serious about dealing with this party. if we are talking tactics, what do you do if you are house republicans? you have leverage. you have talked about them already on this show. one of them is the debt ceiling fight. and the final one is the continuing resolution which is the stop gap thing because we haven't had a budget for four years. i agree with you. i think the president has the high ground there. he has a big weapon in his arsenal there. you have to give the president his way on that. >> if you pay the debt but you have to apportion out the money, the term for that is default. >> mark, my basic view is this is going to get done. but i'd like to mo

small business. finally, president obama, please, ease up on all the regulations. i want to talk about this because nobody should be satisfied with 2% growth. let's talk to our friend dean baker from the center for economic and policy research. welcome to both of you. all right, dean, i think 2% is way too low. i think we should be striving for something that's more than twice and that history of america. why can't we get there? >> i agree that's way too low. your policies, they tried that unity, they're back in recession or maybe they're scraping along. that's not going to do it. the story here, two issues. one, we are going to see slower growth because we have lower population growth and that's because people didn't have kids 30 years old. i don't know if you want to blame president obama for that, that's strange, but you can do so. this was a qualitatively different type of recession. he had a housing bubble, it collapsed. that was not the nature of the recession in '74, '75, '81, '82. those were easy to get out of. easy to have strong growth because the fed deliberately raised inte

. that's one of those fronts. there are a lot of others. and again, president obama refuses to talk about any of them. he doesn't think we have a spending problem. well, then why is our nation hitting the credit card limit again? because the government is spending too much. we have to solve that problem. >> many thanks. appreciate it, sir. >> great being with you. >>> let's bring in our panel to talk about this. we have molly ball with the atlantic. kate, author of "divider in chief." and robert costa from the national review. if i wanted a deal, i wouldn't insult, demonize and pound away at the opposition. he certainly to use a cnbc phrase is not rising above partion. where does he get off doing this? >> larry, this is the politics of what happens in washington. president obama went to the podium today and he outlined the hard-line position. this was red meat for the liberal base. we know though just as we saw in the fiscal cliff that a deal will have to be struck to avoid a government shut down. i think he ultimately he will come to the center, depends how much. >> kate, i don't t

know. i usually oppose mr. obama's economic policies. on this one he laid them out. let's have a talk about it. if we can come up with something better fine. anyway thank you ben, thank you la smp lars, thank you nan. >> the faa just announced grounding the 787 boeing dreamliner until further notice. how crushing is this for boeing. the big airlines themselves, phil lebeau has a live report for us in just a moment and later in the show the debt battle seems to be tearing conservatives apart. once between i say do not play chicken with the debt ceiling and risk a default. by free market coke brothers agree. a new team of conservatives seems to be ignoring that advice and i think they are wrong but we'll debate it and don't forget, folks, free market capitalism is still the best path to prosperity. this is still the greatest country in the world. let us figure out our problems and we'll continue to greatness. i'm kudlow. we'll be right back. officeyour business needs...k... at prices that keep you...out of the red. this week get a bonus $15 itunes gift card with any qualifying $75 ink p

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